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Well, Molot finally got through all the US legal import related red tape and their VEPR 12's are on American shores and in American's hands. The gun arrived dripping with some sort of preserving lubricant in a cardboard box with 1 factory 5 round magazine (higher cap mags from SGM are on the way). I unboxed it yesterday, cleaned/lubricated it, and started putting rounds through it. So, far I've got 250 rounds of various ammo (#4 buck, #1 buck, 00 buck, slugs, and some low brass range ammo) with 0 failures of any kind. Here's some of the features of the gun along with what I've found...
-100% reliable thus far
-Hinged dust cover with a 1913 rail. I mounted a red dot and opened/closed it repeatedly and it held zero
-The action is extremely smooth; much more than any Saiga 12 I've ever shot
-Original Molot polymer grip. Much more comfortable than many AK factory grips out there
-Molot self-regulating gas system. This one's key to the 'why is this better than a Saiga 12?' question. Izhmash has a version of this system but reliability reports are still hit or miss with the low brass ammo
-Original Molot competition magazine well. Allows for fast reloads eliminating the need for rocking and locking the mags
-Molot factory AK adjustable rear sight. This is essentially a beefed up RPK rear sight
-Molot original AK enhanced safety lever. It allows for easy disengagement of the safety when shouldering the gun
-Cost. The gun is available many places for $1000. Considering what it costs to buy a Saiga 12 and convert it to this configuration that's not too bad
-Factory chrome lined barrel, chamber, receiver shaft and gas chamber
-Factory threaded barrel. Treads are the same as the Saiga 12 so there are lots of brakes/flash hiders available
-The fit/finish are superb. It's as nice, if not nicer, than any AK platform gun I've ever seen
-Machined bolt assembly, gas blocks etc. As far as I know there is no MIM on this gun at all. Every part feels very solid
-Bolt hold open feature doesn't function on the gun 100% of the time (see video below for a better explanation)
-The safety was so tight from the factory that it was almost unusable. I fixed it with a little filing but just beware you may need to adjust it a bit
Here's a video review where I test out the gas system, do some shooting with slugs from 100m, disassemble/assemble the gun, and discuss some or the features of the shotgun:
VEPR 12 HD Video Review Link
Mrgunsngear Youtube Channel
Last edited by Mrgunsngear; October 28, 2012 at 08:28 PM. Sours: https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=505021
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I may be a sample size of one, but my S12 has been rock solid and so has my Vepr 12. To be fair I don't compete but they do go bang every time regardless of ammo. I have put almost no work into the S12, and none whatsoever into the V12. I am well aware of the trials and tribulations of the S12 and have been a member over there for many many years, so I am familiar with all kinds of problems they can have. Then again I don't put 10k down the pipe either, but it's getting close to 5k in the S12
I agree that the S12 often needs tuning out of the box but after they are my observations have been that they tend to be reliable and dependable. Some guys needed more work to get theirs running smoothly but I saw very few people complaining of problematic guns after that point. The V12 seems to need very little, if any, tuning or work out of the box.
I actually prefer S12 to V12 because of the gas system, weight and all those new added gizmos to the receiver.
S12 has much less recoil when using 00 buck and gas system set to "1". V12 just has a larger gas hole, so it will cycle anything, at the same time giving shooter more recoil.
i never had any issues with my S12. the only time it jams is when i feed it welfare Federal ammo bulk box from wally world. The cheap hulls are so soft that upon chambering, S-12's charp corners bind up the hull.
never happens with any other ammo.
i shoot 2 boxes/week - skeet at my club and matches here and there for last 8 years with it. thats close to 20K.
its currently on its way to TurboThis to get turned into S-12s. Feels weird shooting my pump 12G
12 forum vepr
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